Amr Adeeb : Hello and welcome Dr Shahrour.

Dr Shahrour : Good evening and welcome.

Amr Adeeb : Welcome Sir.

Dr Shahrour : Hello and welcome.

Amr Adeeb : Happy to have you with us today.

Dr Shahrour : Thank you, Allah's willing.

Amr Adeeb : We have Sheikh Khaled El Gendi here as well.

Dr Shahrour : Yes

Amr Adeeb : May be you don't see him on the screen.

Dr Shahrour : No I don't see him.

Amr Adeeb : we have Sheikh Khaled El Gendi also here.

Dr Shahrour : Welcome to him.

Amr Adeeb : We need you to explain to us your interpretation and views on the verse (what your right hands may posses).

Amr Adeeb : A right hand possession I mean.

Dr Shahrour : Yes .. Yes, We have here two cases of religiously allowed sexual relations .. First case is the marriage, the second is a right hand possession, Marriage is not a right hand possession and vis-a vis. In both cases sexual intercourse is allowed (halal). Marriage is a kind relationship and the family ie when a man marries a woman seeking a joint living, to make family, meaning to stay together forever, having children this woman is called a wife. A right hand possession is the case that does not apply to all what I have just mentioned which are the conditions of marriage; this is a right hand possession.

4 wives allowed and an unlimited number of right hand possessions. Lord of mankind didn't say in the Qur'an that a right hand possession is slavery. In the Qur'an slavery was mentioned as in freeing slaves. However, historically people believed that a right hand possession is the slavery. A right hand possession is mentioned and explained 13 times in Allah's book as well as marriage, not only marriage but also right hand possession has been explained in the book of Allah.

Suppose that a man reaches adolescent in the age of 15 and marries in the age of 25. There are young men having a real sexual problem during those 10 years difference, the Islamic scholars didn't study and resolve this problem as it does exist,for example, the traveller's marriage and right hand possession since it doesn't apply to joint living, a right hand possession it is and not a marriage. Secondly, the marriage for pleasure is a case of right hand possession. Third, traveller's marriage is a right hand possession. All these cases are a right hand possession, since the human brain is crafty and wants to solve an existing problem which the scholars could not, The human brain invented the traveller's marriage, the friend marriage and the holiday marriage, there are many forms yet to be invented in the future.

Amr Adeeb : Mr Shahrour, suppose I have a 15-16 years old kid and I'm worried he commits adultery?

Dr Shahrour : I'm telling you that there is an existing sexual problem during 10 years of a man's life.

Sheikh Khaled : Do you believe that a right hand possession is still exists nowadays?

Dr Shahrour : Of course, no doubt about it

Dr Shahrour : For example, in Europe, a man lives with a woman in free will, facing people and neighbours, they have a joint living and everybody knows including their families

Dr Shahrour : This is a 100% allowed (halal) and is a right hand possession

Sheikh Khaled : What is adultery then?

Dr Shahrour : I'm telling you it's a right hand possession because it has been publicly declared

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet's companions (Sahaba) have a registered marriage contracts?

Sheikh Khaled : If the ruler permits it...

Dr Shahrour : This is the civil law now you're talking about, I'm talking about the case not the law, It's not about the law, I'm talking about the sexual relation in bed.

Sheikh Khaled : Taking bank interest was allowed in the beginning of Islam but not now, clear? Drinking alcohol was allowed in the beginning of Islam but not now.

Dr Shahrour : Sir, I'm talking about two cases, the first is a right hand possession and the second is marriage?

Sheikh Khaled : Answer the question please sir, what is adultery?

Sheikh Khaled : Define adultery?

Amr Adeeb : Let's first get your definition of a right hand possession.

Dr Shahrour : A right hand possession is a case that doesn't apply to the conditions of marriage and is religiously allowed relationship with a free will.

Amr Adeeb : Like what you mean?

Dr Shahrour : Allah's prophet explained this in Bukhary

Sheikh Khaled : Where? What did he say?

Dr Shahrour : Whomever a man and a woman agreed they live together for 3 nights, if they decide to carry on so be it, if they decide to break up so be it. Open Bukhary and read it.

Sheikh Khaled : Wasn't this the marriage for pleasure?

Dr Shahrour : It's in the Bukhary.

Sheikh Khaled : I know it's in the Bukhary, isn't this the marriage for pleasure?

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet of Allah show a third form of marriage?

Sheikh Khaled : This is the marriage for pleasure sir.

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet of Allah show a third form?

Sheikh Khaled : Ok please

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet of Allah show a third form? My question is clear; in Allah's book there is marriage and a right hand possession.

Sheikh Khaled : The prophet (PBAH) permitted taking pleasure and then forbid it, also mentioned in the Bukhary and the Hadith.

Dr Shahrour : Why did he allow taking pleasure?

Sheikh Khaled : For military reasons, anything, what's important now is there is an abrogation in the share'a low.

Dr Shahrour : There is abrogate and abrogated which I don't believe in.

Sheikh Khaled : It's up to you.

Amr Adeeb : Dr shahrour please.

Dr Shahrour : The abrogate and abrogated don't exist in the first place.

Amr Adeeb : Let's go logically.

Amr Adeeb : Again, let me ask you a simple question, me as a man, what is my right hand possession, is she my servant?

Dr Shahrour : I'll tell you, traveller marriage in Saudi is not a marriage at all.

Sheikh Khaled : What is the traveller marriage?

Dr Shahrour : It's when the man visits the woman upon her request, It's when the man visits the woman upon her request, he's not responsible for either her or the children's expenses, he just gives them his name. This is not a marriage it's a right hand possession.

Sheikh Khaled : You're deluded sir.

Dr Shahrour : This is a right hand possession; this is a right hand possession

Amr Adeeb : Do you mean that any man and a woman decide to have a sexual relationship; this is called a right hand possession?

Dr Shahrour : Yes, willingly and according to the traditions.

Amr Adeeb : Adultery is by free will, does any one force an adulteress woman?

Dr Shahrour : Adultery is when more than one man is involved, this called adultery or when a married woman does it.

Sheikh Khaled : Do you mean when he pays her? What if it was for free?

Dr Shahrour : Besides, Adultery needs four witnesses to prove it.

Sheikh Khaled : No, no, no, we're not talking about proving it, what is adultery?

Amr Adeeb : Dr Shahrour, lets go step by step please, for example, I met my next-door girl, and decided to have a sexual relationship

Dr Shahrour : If the society doesn't forbid it there is no adultery in this.

Sheikh Khaled : This is getting serious now. Allah! Allah! Allah! . Go brother may Allah bless your parents. Meaning if the society forbids this the story is over?

Dr Shahrour : Sir, it's not up to you or me, a right hand possession is a free will case. Let me tell you about the Islamic scholars, they always like using force; sadly, wherever using force exists they are there, a right hand possession to them is the slavery, a woman is taken to slavery by force, goes to slavery market by force, gets shown up by force, get bought by force, the buyer takes her home and sleeps with her by force, the scholars believe that after 5 times of forcing, it becomes OK (halal). On the other hand if a man and an unmarried woman get willingly together they say it's forbidden!!

Amr Adeeb : Again Dr shahrour, if a man and a woman...

Dr Shahrour : To Islamic scholars forcing is the right form.

Amr Adeeb : Beautiful, lets explain to the people. A right hand possession is when a man and a woman agreed to have a sexual relationship.

Dr Shahrour : Yes if she wasn't married

Amr Adeeb : Yes if she wasn't married!

Dr Shahrour : Of course

Amr Adeeb : Halal (allowed)!

Dr Shahrour : Of course, of course, of course, of course

Sheikh Khaled : What about her father?

Dr Shahrour : Of course, It's down to the traditions. In France if the society, their families, she and him all know, the relation is ok, the relation is ok.

Amr Adeeb : Suppose it's an Arabic country if their families know and ok with them having a relation without a what's called a religious marriage?

Dr Shahrour : It's not allowed only in two cases, first one if she was married, second one if it's publicly ie if they were in the garden.

Amr Adeeb : He's happy

Sheikh Khaled : And her father?

Dr Shahrour : I told you if the society knows it's ok, this is now a social case. For example, it's ok in Europe.

Sheikh Khaled : I'm really happy, say again, carry on.

Amr Adeeb : No sir, let Europe aside, I'm talking about Islam and Muslims.

Dr Shahrour : You're talking about Arabs not Islam, Arabic traditions not Islam.

Amr Adeeb : I'm talking about Islamic society, never mind Arabs.

Dr Shahrour : Now you're talking about the Arabic society.

Amr Adeeb : No I'm asking about the Islamic society.

Dr Shahrour : In the Islamic society, Whomever a man or a woman agreed together, without numerous they stay for 3 nights, if she wasn't married its OK. Full stop, that's it.

Amr Adeeb : This is in addition to the 4 wives?

Dr Shahrour : What is the relation here?

Amr Adeeb : In addition to the 4 wives!

Dr Shahrour : Even if it's a 100, Abdul Rahman Bin Ouf had 90 right hand possessions, 90 he had.

Amr Adeeb : You mean it's unlimited.

Dr Shahrour : Of course It's open, but not more than one man.

Amr Adeeb : Not more than one man?

Dr Shahrour : Yes, Not more than one man

Amr Adeeb : No pregnancy you mean?

Dr Shahrour : No, no numerous, I mean he shoud not share her with a friend.

Sheikh Khaled : Again Dr Shahrour, a right hand possession between a man and a woman without any payments involved is ok.

Dr Shahrour : You mean without contract? The contract is a social tradition.

Sheikh Khaled : Social tradition?

Dr Shahrour : Of course, it's a civil low now.

Sheikh Khaled : If she wrote consent that she is ok with that, it's nobody's problem!!

Dr Shahrour : Nobody has any business with it.

Amr Adeeb : And is not forbidden !

Dr Shahrour : Absolutely

Amr Adeeb : Can I ask you something sir.

Dr Shahrour : Yes

Amr Adeeb : Your references, give me Qur'an and Sunna.

Dr Shahrour : Adultery needs 4 witnesses and Qur'an says if you gave them their due dowers and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues.

Sheikh Khaled : Dr shahrour, this is to prove adultery, 4 witnesses are needed when we need to prove adultery, and we don't want to prove it now. I'm asking what is adultery? So that we learn.

Dr Shahrour : Adultery is, if it was a married woman, or having sex publicly.

Sheikh Khaled : But in a house is not adultery?

Dr Shahrour : If with conformity and with unmarried woman

Sheikh Khaled : Student, Employed anything?

Dr Shahrour : Not married has nothing to do with her job, am I clear

Sheikh Khaled : Clear yes

Dr Shahrour : If she were married it's fornication therefore adultery.

Sheikh Khaled : Payable or for free?

Dr Shahrour : It's up to them, if he clears her she is his right hand possession, if she clears him he is her right hand possession.

Sheikh Khaled : What if there was pregnancy?

Dr Shahrour : According to what was agreed, just like the traveller's marriage in Saudi.

Sheikh Khaled : We're talking about adultery.

Dr Shahrour : I've been telling you this; right hand possession is not marriage.

Sheikh Khaled : Our professor. What happens if there was pregnancy out of adultery? In case the relationship is behind closed doors, nobody is watching and the rest of the conditions you told us do not apply.

Dr Shahrour : Yes, it's her fault then.

Sheikh Khaled : Then what?

Dr Shahrour : It's her fault that she agreed to that.

Sheikh Khaled : What do we tell her now; throw away your baby in the basket?

Dr Shahrour : It's her fault I'm saying, her fault. I'm telling you that 80% of the relationships on earth are allowed (halal).

Amr Adeeb : 80%? Question again, talk to me from Qur'an and Sunna…

Dr Shahrour : It's all from Qur'an I'm telling you

Dr Shahrour : When ye give them their due dowers (wages), and desire chastity not lewdness, nor secret intrigues. (If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands posses)

Sheikh Khaled : What does it mean (nor secret intrigues) Dr Shahrour?

Dr Shahrour : This case refers to the right hand possession. You have two cases there shouldn't be clear fornication because the right hand possession is for men and women.

Sheikh Khaled : What does it mean (nor secret intrigues) Dr Shahrour?

Dr Shahrour : Yes means that she is not his friend, meaning that he should respect her as well, Which makes a relationship between a man and a woman different from marriage, the wife is a relationship and a family, the wife is a relationship and a family, the conditions that don't apply to this, is the right hand possession. Clear, perfectly clear.

Amr Adeeb : Dr Shahrour, thank you.

Dr Shahrour : You're welcome.